BOU 046 – How Formulaic Do You Like Your Stories?

BOU 046 – How Formulaic Do You Like Your Stories?

Photo from @ZCBolger

We opened the show with a rare voice mail asking us when we’re going to get around to talking about Birdemic 2.

This week we talked about how formulaic you like your fiction?

Dave went on a rant about Fast and the Furious movies, despite never having seen them.

ZC Bolger was inspired by Dave’s slip of the tongue to make the photo in this post.

Can a popcorn movie (or book) also be a GOOD movie?

We talked about the good, the bad, and the horrible.

The last quarter of the show was devoted to Dave trying to explain what Upstream Color is to Johnny, who doesn’t want to watch it.

According to Dave, it is one of the best, but most incomprehensible movies ever. He challenged Johnny, Sean, and Garrett Robinson to watch the movie and meet in the next episode to talk about it.

Will Johnny like Upstream Color?

Will Sean?

Was Dave trolling everyone into watching a movie they’d hate?

Did the movie turn Sean and Johnny into goths in trees?

Stay tuned for the next exciting episode, next week: same bat time, same bat channel.

To view the video version of this episode, go to: Better Off Undead #46 – How Formulaic Do You Like Your Stories?


  1. For the love of all that’s holy NO GARRETT ROBINSON ON EITHER PODCAST. I’d rather hear the opinion of Dean Fucking Koontz.

  2. Huh? Why don’t you want Garrett on?

  3. I mainly listen to your shows to hear insights and tips from successful authors (when Johnny and Shawn let them talk, that is). You and Shawn are successful and good writers. Johnny is, well, Johnny. Unless Garrett is going to talk about how to do a damned good formatting job in Scrivener, there is nothing I can learn from him. Mainly, though, his voicemails (when he still left them) annoyed the piss out of me.

  4. I can’t say anything re: Garrett annoying you. If he does, he does.

    I’m not sure where you are in your writing career, but I’d not write him off as someone you couldn’t learn from. He’s much further along in his craft than I was at 10 years his senior.

    Of all the writers we’ve met who were just getting started during our podcast, Garrett works his ass off harder than any one I know of. His work ethic is nothing short of astonishing.

    And if there’s one thing we talk about A LOT on SPP, it is that work ethic matters, perhaps more than anything else.

    Work ethic is the difference between those who make it and those who don’t. If you look at any of our guests, you’ll see that they ALL have that in common. They all bust ass, pretty much nonstop. ALL. OF. THEM.

    I think we have an ability to identify people who have that something special. Mark my words, Garrett WILL be a name you know, (and no, not for making dick jokes on our phone recordings.)

    The cool thing is, he’s not even a writer to start with. He’s an indie movie maker who wanted to write to tell his stories in a different way.

    That all being said, he’s not appearing on BOU to teach anything. He’s appearing to talk about “Upstream Color.” And probably join Johnny in saying I’m insane for loving the movie. In which case, he’s probably going to annoy ME, too.

    I can’t make you love the guy, but he deserves props for as far as he’s come since just eight months ago or so.

    And I’m not sure if your comment on Johnny “being Johnny” was meant to be positive or negative, but Johnny is an incredible writer, who I have no doubt will be VERY successful.

    • Well said yo.

  5. Yeah, reading back, I came off a bit more prickish than I intended in that post.

    And I get busting ass. I work 55+ hours a week at my day job and come home exhausted and write every day until I go to bed. Plus weekends. So, I do get that.

    I’m sure Garrett will go on to sell millions of books. Guy just bugs me though.

  6. Remind me to never piss Dave off! Excellent.


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